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Russian Status-6 Giant Drone/Torpedo Not Actually New

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It is useful to read old "books" to put present fears in perspective.
[Soviet Nuclear Tipped Torpedoes]

“The Soviet Union's development of nuclear weapons began in the late 1940s. The Navy had put itself forward as the most suitable branch of the Soviet armed forces to deliver a nuclear strike, believing its submarine technology and tactics to be superior to the rest of the world. In theory, long-range submarines that can surface just prior to launching a nuclear weapon offer a large tactical advantage in comparison to deploying weapons by long range bomber planes that can be shot down.

In the early 1950s, the Soviet Ministry of Medium Machine Building secretly initiated plans for incorporating nuclear warheads into submarine warfare. One concept, the T-15 [giant nuclear tipped torpedo] project, aimed to provide a nuclear warhead compatible with the traditional 1550 millimeter (a bit over 61 inches, or 5 feet) caliber torpedo already used in Soviet diesel-powered submarines. The T-15 project began in strict secrecy in 1951.

Research and testing was contemporaneous with the other concept, the much smaller and lighter 533 millimeter torpedo referred to as the T-5. Stalin and the armed forces saw benefits to both calibers of torpedo: the T-5 was a superior tactical option, but the T-15 had a larger blast. Meetings at the Kremlin were so highly classified that the Navy was not informed.

The plans for the T-15 torpedo and for an appropriately redesigned submarine, named project 627, were authorized on September 12, 1952 but were not officially approved until 1953, surprising the Navy, which had been unaware of the central government activity.[4]:239–240 The T-15 project developed a torpedo that could travel 16 miles with a thermonuclear warhead. The 1550 millimeter T-15 design was 5 feet in diameter and weighed 40 tons. The large size of the weapon limited the capacity of a modified submarine to a single torpedo that could only travel at a speed of 30 knots. The torpedo speed was hindered by the usage of an electric propelled motor to launch the warhead.[3]

Discontinuation [of Soviet T-15 Giant Nuclear Tipped Torpedo Project]


The T-15 was intended to destroy naval bases and coastal towns by an underwater explosion that resulted in massive 
tsunami waves. The front compartment of the T-15 submarines held the massive torpedo, which occupied 22% of the length of the submarine. A submarine could only hold one T-15 at a time, but it was also equipped with two 533-millimeter torpedo tubes intended for self-defense. 

In 1953, the T-15 project presented its conclusions to the Central Council of the Communist Party, where it was determined that the project would be managed by the Navy. In 1954, a committee of naval experts disagreed with continuing the T-15 nuclear torpedoes. Their criticisms centered on a lack of need when considered along with existing weapons in the submarine fleet, as well as skepticism that submarines would be able to approach launch points close enough to the coastline to hit targets within 40 km.[5]  Project 627 was modified to provide reactors for a new vessel that would be capable of deploying 533mm caliber torpedoes in the T-5 project.

However, the termination of the T-15 program in 1954 was not the last time a large torpedo would be considered as means of deployment. In 1961, Andrei Sakharov revisited the idea after the successful testing of his new 52Mt bomb, which was too large for aircraft. When he introduced the concept to the navy they did not welcome the idea, being turned off by the wide area effect which would kill so many innocent people. Technological advances led to the weapon selection process favoring more tactical approaches that were amenable to quicker execution.[6] After years of decline and reduction of stockpiles the Russian Federation in recent years seems to tend to lean toward an increase of its stockpile in terms of quantity and yield of nuclear weapons .[7]

Soviet T-5 [533mm nuclear tipped torpedo]

From the early 1950s, when the Soviets successfully engineered their own form of a nuclear bomb, an effective means of delivery was sought.[8] The T-5 torpedo was tipped by a RDS-9 nuclear warhead which had a 5 kiloton payload. The first T-5 test in Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstan, on 10 October 1954 was unsuccessful.[9] A year later, after further development, a test at Novaya Zemlya on the 21st of September 1955 succeeded.[3] On 10 October 1957, in another test at Novaya Zemlya, S-144, a Whiskey class submarine, launched a T-5. The test weapon, code named Korall, detonated with a force of 4.8 kilotonnes twenty meters under the surface of the bay sending a huge plume of highly radioactive water high into the air.[10] Three decommissioned submarines were used as targets at a distance of 6.5 miles.[3] Both S-20 and S-34 sank completely, and S-19 was critically damaged.

In 1958, the T-5 became fully operational as the Type 53-58 torpedo.[3]:28 The weapon, which could be deployed on most Soviet submarines,[3] had an interchangeable warhead for either nuclear or high explosive. This permitted quick tactical decisions on deployment. The T-5, like the US Mark 45 torpedo [which carried a W34 nuclear warhead], was not designed to make direct hits but to maximize a blast kill zone in the water. The detonation would create shock waves powerful enough to crack the hull of a submerged submarine. However, like the U.S. Mark 45 torpedo, the T-5 was not optimized for deep diving and had limited guidance capability. As its thermal operational range was between +5C to +25C, this decreased its effectiveness in the waters of the North Atlantic and Arctic.[5]

In October 1962, shortly before the start of the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviet submarine B-59 was pursued in the Atlantic Ocean by the U.S. NavyWhen the Soviet vessel failed to surface, American destroyers began dropping training depth charges. The B-59 was armed with a T-5. The Soviet captain, believing that World War III was underway might have wanted to launch the nuclear weapon. However, his flotilla commander, Vasili Arkhipov, who by happenstance was using the boat as his command vessel, refused to endorse the command. [Thus Arkhipov possibly saved the world.] After an argument, it was agreed that the submarine would surface and await orders from Moscow. It was not until after the fall of the Soviet Union that it was made known that the submarine was armed with a T-5.[11] A fictional Soviet nuclear torpedo was deployed in the 1965 Cold War film The Bedford Incident.[12][13]

Soviet ASB-30 [nuclear warhead for 533mm torpedo]

The ASB-30 was a nuclear warhead, deployed by the Soviet Navy in 1962, which could replace high-explosive warheads on 21-inch torpedoes while the submarine was at sea.[3]:28

Russian VA-111 Shkval [can have nuclear warhead]

Supercavitating torpedo VA-111 Shkval is able to carry nuclear warheads.[14]

Russian 
Status-6 [giant nuclear tipped torpedo]
In 2015, informations emerged that Russia may be developing a new up to 100 MT[15] thermonuclear torpedo, the Status-6 Oceanic Multipurpose System,[16][17][18] codenamed "Kanyon" by Pentagon officials.[19][20] This weapon [of estimated 1.6 to 2 metres in diameter, and 24 metres long] is designed to create a tsunami wave up to 500 m tall that will radioactively contaminate a wide area on an enemy coasts with cobalt-60, and to be immune to anti-missile defense systems such as anti-ballistic missileslaser weapons and railguns that might disable an ICBM or a SLBM.[17][18][20][21][22] 

Two potential carrier submarines, the Project 09852 Oscar-class submarine Belgorod, and the Project 09851 Yasen-class submarine Khabarovsk, are new boats laid down in 2012 and 2014 respectively.[19][20][23][24] Status 6 appears to be a deterrent weapon of last resort.[22][23][24] It appears to be a torpedo-shaped robotic mini-submarine, that can travel at speeds of 100 knots (185 km/h).[22][23][7] More recent information suggests a [standard torpedo] top speed of 56 knots (100 km/h), with a range of 6,200 miles (10,000 km) and a depth maximum of 3,280 feet (1000 m).[25] This underwater drone is cloaked by stealth technology to elude acoustic tracking devices.[17][23]

However many commentators doubt that this is a real project, and see it as more likely to be a staged leak to intimidate the US. Amongst other comments on it, Edward Moore Geist wrote a paper in which he says that "Russian decision makers would have little confidence that these areas would be in the intended locations" [26] and Russian military experts are cited as saying that "Robotic torpedo shown could have other purposes, such as delivering deep-sea equipment or installing surveillance devices".[27]
In January 2018 The Pentagon confirmed the existence of Status-6.[28][29] "



Yoshihide Suga May Replace Shinzo Abe

US B-2 Bombers Transit - Refuel Over Australia - MAP

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See map below. @AircraftSpots recorded 3 x US B-2 stealth bombers being refueled over northern Australia on August 11, 2020. 

These B-2As were travelling from their main Whiteman Air Force Base, Missouri, USA then over the Pacific, over northern Australia, Indian Ocean to Diego Garcia Air Base.

Many more photos of the 3 x B-2s at Diego Garcia, with more details, providing mission context, are at The Drive's August 19, 2020 article. 



Map courtesy @AircraftSpots August 11, 2020. Each circle signifies one refueling tanker refueling one B-2. 
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Overflight of Australia, a close US ally, avoids overflights of Southeast Asian countries. If overflying Australia at night this adds to the B-2's stealthy security.  

Australia's Tindal Air Base, Northern Territory, may be available for any unscheduled or emergency B-2 landings. 

If no US tankers are scheduled Australia’s KC-30A,variants of the Airbus A330 MRTT refueling aircraft, have the Aerial Refuelling Boom System used by B-2s, as well as two Cobham 905E under-wing refuelling pods

See Submarine Matters'US B-2, B-52 and B-1 Bombers Exercising in Australia, January 11, 2019.

Pete

Australian Signals Directorate's Rare Public Appearance

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At Australian government owned ABC News, September 1, 2020:

"Australian Signals Directorate boss Rachel Noble [longer bio] says not all Australians are the good guys, defends spying"

see https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-01/asd-boss-rachel-noble-will-defend-right-to-spy-on-australians/12614834

Watched for decades. There has been a system of secondment between a nation's foreign and domestic agency people to form cross-jurisdictional teams - but this is untidy.

No problems with new Australian Signals Directorate powers - or NSA powers for that matter.

India Pulls out of Kavkaz-2020 Russia, China, Pak Joint Exercise

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India's NDTV, August 30, 2020 reports [Not surprisingly!]:

"India Pulls Out Of Russia Military Exercise With China, Pak [Allegedly] Over Covid

India was invited by Russia to participate in the tri-services exercise with a contingent of around 200 personnel to southern Russia in September for the multi-lateral Kavkaz-2020.

New Delhi: India will not send its contingent to the multinational military exercise Kavkaz-2020, being organised in Russia, due to the COVID-19 pandemic, [India's] Defence Ministry said [August 30, 2020].
"Russia and India are privileged strategic partners. At Russia's invitation, India has been participating in many international events. However, due to COVID-19 and consequent difficulties in exercise, India has decided not to send a contingent this year to Kavkaz-2020," the [Indian] Defence Ministry spokesperson said.


Indian troops with AK-100 assault rifles? India has many similar rifles - see Indian Army small arms.
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Both China and Pakistan are going to be a part of the multinational exercise.
News agency ANI, quoting sources in the Defence Ministry, said that China's participation in the exercise was also a reason for India to pull out of the multilateral tri-services military exercise. They say while India is locked in a military conflict with the Chinese in eastern Ladakh and on high alert all along the 4,000 kilometre Line of Actual Control (LAC), it cannot be business as usual for us to be participating in multilateral military exercises with them.
India and China had clashed in the Galwan valley on June 15 in which 20 Indian troops had lost their lives while the Chinese also suffered a number of casualties with scores of Chinese soldiers killed and injured there.
Sources added that Defence Minister would be visiting Russia on September 4-6 for the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation [SCO at which India is a member since 2017] defence ministers' meeting but it is unlikely that the Indian representative would be holding any talks with his Chinese counterpart..."

Russia’s P-750B Submarine Malakhit Design Bureau Concept

Thailand's Postponement For Show, Buying Submarines 2 & 3

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Thailand's Army dominated government always needs to keep its junior Thai Navy partner happy. Interservice coalition maintenance is expressed in various ways including buying high priced armaments for the Navy - a carrier in the 1990s and 3 submarines agreed in 2017.

High priced armaments are there for a service's strategic need, pride/morale, professionalism, commissions and post-government career jobs (the last in Australia in spades...).

From 1992-1997 Thailand bought an aircraft carrier (the Chakri Naruebet ) from Spain. A carrier that Thailand couldn't afford (no fixed air-wing maintained for long), couldn't regularly justify and has never been able to permanently crew. Good for fleet reviews perhaps.

Thailand has been in a medium sized submarine acquisition for the Navy process since 2015. This is despite its most valuable territorial waters (the Gulf of Thailand with its approaches to the capital Bangkok) being too shallow for medium sized submarine operations.  

In 2015-2017 Thailand purchased its first Chinese Yuan S26T submarine (for delivery by 2023 or so). There was Thai public opposition then over the cost and need for the first submarine. It was bought at a discount price from China which leaves Thailand obligated to China, to an extent. 

Thailand's Government has now tentatively floated (in 2020) the idea of 2 more of the submarines from China - a 3 submarine deal really already made and costed with China in 2017. This again faces public opposition over the high cost (in 2020 particularly over "money could be better spent on anti-Covid measures"). 

But as the deal has already been made with China the Thai government's postponment in finalising purchase of submarines 2 and 3 is more for show to keep the Thai public happy than concrete. 

Time will tell.

US and Australian Exercises in Northern Territory see B-2 & B1-Bs

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Further to my August 31, 2020 article "US B-2 Bombers Transit - Refuel Over Australia - MAP" the RAAF and USAF have publicised some of this activity via an informative Asia-Pacific Defence Reporter (APDR) article "US, Australia combine for exercises in Northern Territory with B1-Bs and B-2s" of September 3, 2020 at https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/us-australia-combine-for-exercises-in-northern-territory-with-b1-bs-and-b-2s/ which states in part:

"United States Air Force B-1B Lancers and B-2 Spirit bombers have recently participated in a combined United States-Australia exercise in the Northern Territory. The B1-B and B-2 aircraft flew from Guam and Diego Garcia respectively, and operated over Delamere [Air Weapons Range], Bradshaw and Mount Bundey training areas during August [2020]. The activity saw the United States aircraft integrate with the Australian Army and US Marine Rotational Force – Darwin, providing a highly advanced training opportunity." 


[see Youtube above and here - 58 seconds in  https://youtu.be/nYNojCOqfbE?t=58s a B-2 is seen on bombing practice at Delamere range and then 2 B1-Bs.]

"The US aircraft exercised both live and inert munitions on the training areas allowing the Australian and US forces the opportunity to practice their skills in both traditional and modern forms of target location, strike confirmation, and damage assessment. While the B1-B and B-2 aircraft did not land in Australia, they were supported by US Air Force air-to-air refuelling aircraft that flew out of RAAF Base Darwin...."

SEE WHOLE APDR ARTICLE
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Also see my article "US B-2, B-52 and B-1 Bombers Exercising in Australia" of January 11, 2019.

China's submarine numbers verified but not quality

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The Pentagon's Chinese Military Power Report 2020 predictably comments on high numbers of Chinese submarines. But as most of the subs are conventional and quality of China's conventional and nuclear subs cannot be assessed or publicized the only safe USN reaction is to build more Virginia-class SSNs more quickly.

See the Report https://media.defense.gov/2020/Sep/01/2002488689/-1/-1/1/2020-DOD-CHINA-MILITARY-POWER-REPORT-FINAL.PDF especially:

-  the intro pages i and ii

-  the Chinese Navy (PLAN) Chapter, beginning page 44 and

-  especially the submarine page 45.

-  the Map page 49 detailing Chinese naval command regions and numbers of subs types in each
   region is very interesting.

How does Active Sonar Work

Beware all husbands and those with people upstairs

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Poor Ogden, the poet, possibly got in trouble with his wife for being too close, here, to the busty lady, nicknamed "Dagmar" (a presenter for the TV game show "Masquerade Party") in 1955.
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The People Upstairs

By Ogden Nash(1902 – 1971) 

The people upstairs all practise ballet
Their living room is a bowling alley
Their bedroom is full of conducted tours.
Their radio is louder than yours,

They celebrate week-ends all the week.
When they take a shower, your ceilings leak.
They try to get their parties to mix
By supplying their guests with Pogo sticks,

And when their fun at last abates,
They go to the bathroom on roller skates.
I might love the people upstairs more
If only they lived on another floor.

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A Word To Husbands

Also by Ogden Nash.

To keep your marriage brimming
With love in the loving cup,
Whenever you're wrong, admit it;
Whenever you're right, shut up.

Poor Ogden died early of complications from Crohn's disease aggravated by severe food poisoning (coleslaw “improperly prepared”).

China Trying to "Westernize" Its Army

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China is attempting to Westernize its army, but it is still too dependent on conscripts while unattractive to ideal volunteers.

So here is a great (though bit long) article from StrategyPage:  "Leadership: China Westernizes Its Military" of September 13, 2020 at  https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20200913.aspx

"In the late 1990s China decided to model its rapidly modernizing armed forces on the Western model. 

Chinese were impressed with how the American led force demolished the Iraqi army in 1991. This “Hundred Hour War” was an impressive demonstration of how a well-equipped and well-trained all-volunteer force could roll over a Soviet-style, largely conscript force, even when outnumbered. There were several instances during that short war when outnumbered American units defeated larger Iraqi forces. 

Chinese officers looked at that and decided that this was the kind of military China needed. This attitude was reinforced in 2003 when two American and one British division invaded and defeated Iraq in a few weeks. In both those wars the Americans allowed TV journalists to accompany the combat units, so there was lots of video for Chinese troops and officers to study.

By 2003 China was still hampered by a force modeled on the Russian (Soviet Union) model, an organizational style that had largely been discredited..." much more.

Singapore More of an Western Ally Than Publicized

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 My response to Benjamin's interesting comment of September 14, 2020

I think the price of Singapore's new Type 218SG submarines are average-low indicating the 218 is not a radical departure from the Type 214. Number "4" was not used as it is an "unlucky number" in Cantonese Chinese (ethnicity covering most Singaporeans) culture. More specifically US$900 million per 218 is reasonable given it is a larger-than-usual AIP submarine from a new supplier (TKMS) - with the price also covering spares, training, maintenance facilities, etc.

I think Singapore has to hedge a bit and does not form alliances because:

-  Singapore's relatively small military would only be a small addition to the forces swallowed up by a
   much larger ally (especially the US). Even Australia under ANZUS is a small addition to US forces.

-  a formal alliance would normally mean Singapore would politically-legally be required to come to the
   aid of an ally (say the US) if the US were "attacked". 

   In December 2001, following Afghanistan-based-al Qaeda's 9/11 terrorist attack on the US,
   Australian SAS came to the aid of US forces fighting in Afghanistan. This was legally-politically
   invoked under  the ANZUS Treaty. 

While Singapore is not an ally of the US Singapore is/was still contributing, with the US and Australia, to the "War On Terror" in the Middle East. Note this Straits Timesarticle "Parliament: More SAF troops to be sent to Iraq later this year to train their security forces" of March 2, 2018 

and 

"including the Singapore Armed Forces and the Australian Defence Force's joint deployments in the Middle East as part of the Defeat-ISIS coalition"

Singapore may have intel (eg. sigint) relationships...made public in 2013 Singapore closely related to"Five Eyes".

"FPDA" features so little in an average Aussie's knowledge of regional arrangements that I had to look it up - yielding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Power_Defence_Arrangements . Odd that any concept of UK forces reentering the East of Suez region is still entertained

and odd that the US is NOT in the FPDA arrangement. Maybe a Queen Elizabeth class carrier will visit our region in 2021?

Does Singapore buy weapons platforms of any significance from the UK?  I note some very old Land Rovers and more recent snipers rifles.

Yes Australia has been building/launching/planning a grand fleet of new ships: LHDs, destroyers, offshore patrol vessels, smaller patrol boats, large frigates, supply ships, an icebreaker and last, but not least submarines. BUT Australia's ability to man and maintain all these old and new vessels is less certain.

Admiral Rickover's Leadership Contradictions

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Admiral Rickover (1900 - 1986) the "Father of the [US and World's First] Nuclear Navy" was:

-  brilliant, or a great self-promoter

-  patriotic, yet selfish

-  loyal to crews safety, yet disloyal to the Navy command structure

-  far seeing in engineering and scientific terms, yet rejected creativity in many others

-  a great man manager, yet many of his men hated him because he micro-managed them

-  generous with his money, yet played the gifts from corporations system  

-  humourless, yet had a well rounded deadpan sense of humour.

A book called The Rickover Effect on his leadership style, is well worth reading.

A 1984 US "60 Minutes" interview video, with interviewer Diane Sawyer, is here https://youtu.be/lpAWiqwSw-U and below. It cuts out after 15 minutes 45 seconds.

Some notable lines:

3:35 - Rickover admits "I have the charisma of a chipmunk." 

6:10 - He cut parts of 2 legs of the chairs prospective SSN captain interviewees had to sit on so they
          would slide off their chairs

7.00 - Jimmy Carter, when a submarine officer "hated" Rickover a "few times" before Carter became
          President

7:30 - Rickover worked the political system to stay in office as nuclear navy chief

9.00 - many in the Reagan Administration, Navy and defense contractors organized Rickover's 
          sacking/final goodbye in 1982 after a record 63 years of active duty

11:30 - He gave $100,000 of his own money to US educational projects

12:40 - He also built the first civilian nuclear plant. Was it the Shippingport Atomic Power Station?

13:30 - Thoughts on nuclear weapons

14:30 - Rickover and love letters

15:45 - Finishes.

QUESTIONS

A.  What are the most important leadership qualities a Submarine Commander should have?

B.  What are the most dangerous traits a Submarine Commander shouldn't have?

Penetrating US ICBM Silo Anti-Personnel Defenses: Terrorist DIY Guide

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Only in America would the US government reveal precise details of its ICBM silo anti-personnel security hatches, combination locks, timers and defensive firearms

viaDavid Hambling, writing for Forbes, September 16, 2020 at 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/09/16/us-enhances-last-line-of-nuclear-missile-silo-defense/#7ac6977f6f56


"...The U.S. Air Force is improving the protection of its nuclear missile silos from against attacks by terrorists or other ground forces, with a  $21 million contract to Northrop Grumman NOC +1.6% for a device known as a Fast Rising B-Plug. This unusual item is literally the last line of defense between the bad guys and a missile with a live 400-kiloton nuclear warhead..."

One ton outer access hatch (above) and 7 ton B-Plug "hatch" below. (Photos and details courtesy US Air Force via Forbes.) 
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see WHOLE FORBES article


Trump Ahead By 1% Says Very Significant Pollster

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Good news is that collective polls indicate Biden is 6.9% ahead.

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Bad news is that Rusmussen Reports (a very accurate pollster in 2016) now indicates:
 

"Trump Takes First Lead Wednesday, September 16, 2020

President Trump has now edged to a one-point lead over Democratic nominee Joe Biden in the latest Rasmussen Reports’ weekly White House Watch survey. While statistically insignificant, it’s the first time Trump has been ahead.

The new national telephone and online survey finds the president with a 47% to 46% lead over Biden among Likely U.S. Voters. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, while four percent (4%) remain undecided..."


PETE COMMENT

"Undecided" is always a critical, but unpredicatable, element in polling.

I'd say, after early optimism (that Trump would lose) Trump Winning is now a 50/50 proposition.

Singapore's Decline in Use of UK Weapons

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 On September 16, 2020 Shawn C  commented:

Over the decades, UK military equipment purchases have been reduced, simply as they couldn't offer winning bids. [Pete comment - And also with the withdrawal of UK military forces in 1971 from Singapore much UK equipment left and the colonial-political tradition that promoted UK weapons gradually left.] 

[Still] Singapore did purchase many of its initial military equipment from the UK in the early 1970s, including Hawker Hunters, Strikemasters, Bloodhoundand Rapiermissiles. The Land Rovers were part of an initial batch that includes Bedford lorries and Ford M151 jeeps.

The first Singapore army rifles were SLRs[Pete comment - SLRs at 7.62mm calibre were more suited to long range NATO flat or rolling hill country, heavy, long to swing around in the jungle, heavy bullets hence fewer carried, less suited to in close quarter fighting, not fully auto, so unsuited to Singapore jungle warfare], but quickly changed to M-16s [suitable but can jam on jungle mud/dust] on the advice of Israeli military advisors. 

That kicked off the whole Chartered Industry of Singapore saga when an entire M-16 factory was bought from Colt turn-key, then after finishing the Singapore Army production run Colt refused to let Singapore export to countries in the region, which lead Singapore developing the SAR-80/88, an AR-18 derivative design from Sterling Arms in the UK.

 The last major attempt from the UK was the BAe led Eurofighter Typhoon [and Rafale] bids in 2005 that lost to the F-15SG

After Rapier SAMs were replaced with [the Israeli] SPYDERsin 2011, Shawn doesn't think the Singapore Air Force has any major equipment sourced from the UK.

Thai Army Fought In Vietnam - Creation of SEATO & FPDA

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Comments and facts about Southeast Asian history are infrequent on Submarine Matters.

This is why Shawn C’scommentson September 16 and 17, 2020 are so interesting. Here they are with hyperlinks added, expansion of acronyms and occasional comments in brackets [...] from Pete.

The [US created and dominated]  the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) a defence bloc that existed from 1954 to 1977, which Thailand and the Phillipines were members of, while at that time many current SEA countries were still French or British colonies.

Yes, the UK had plenty of other issues to deal with in the 1960s, with the end of de-colonialization leading to bushfire wars occurring all across the globe, while Indonesia [under President] Sukarno in the early 1960s was aligning with the Communist Bloc for weapons and quite busy stirring up South East Asia, from the Western New Guinea issue with the Dutch, to Confrontation with Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei. It was only when Sukarno was replaced in 1967that Indonesian expansionist policies stopped, with the exception of East Timor [which was invaded by Indonesia in 1975].

The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) (1971on) was formed right after the decolonisation of the British Empire by five Commonwealth countries – see The Diplomat(paysite) entry. FPDA was essentially created to defend Malaysia and Singapore, as a counter to expansionist Indonesian policies from the 1960s and the threat of the 'Communist Domino effect' coming down from Vietnam, which was eventually halted by the Thai's robust actions on their border.

FPDA always stuck Shawn as a Commonwealth 'boys club' with the UK, Australia and New Zealand taking over defence of three former colonies [Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei] until they could defend themselves, which for Singapore was around 1989, and Brunei finally became an independent country in 1984.

As to why there is no American involvement in FPDA is very simple [the US was already operating within the part overlapping SEATO context.]

[see this Wikipedia entry and this one. The latter Wiki entry includes: 

“Thailand was the third-largest provider of ground forces to South Vietnam, following the Americans and South Koreans [in 1967 – 1972].”]

[Pete comment - Such was my ignorance I was unaware that Thais fought in Vietnam!].

[Later, Wikipedia indicates on Vietnam’s invasion of Cambodia in 1978-79: 

"The [China supported] Khmer Rouge leadership, with much of its political and military structures shattered by the Vietnamese invasion, was forced to take refuge in Thailand. The Thai government under Kriangsak Chamanan accommodated the Khmer Rouge refugees, in exchange for a promise by [China's] Deng Xiaoping to end material support to Thailand's insurgent communists. Despite the overwhelming economic challenges brought by the Khmer Rouge and the accompanying refugees, the Thai Government sheltered and protected the Khmer Rouge at Khao Larn camp in Trat Province." ]

"Jive" on Acoustic Vulnerabilities of Borei SSBNs

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 A close friend has referred  me to "Jive Turkey's" Youtube "Project "Northwind"955 Borei" SSBN at https://youtu.be/gKNqVOHs71Q and below:


"Jive" uploaded it on May 5, 2019. "Jive's" rapidly rising and articulate "Sub Brief" presence is proving an eye-opener for submarine aficionados as well as for sonar-people on other platforms (eg. skimmers and aircraft). I haven't seen sonar analysis details discussed in this depth in "Jives" many Youtubes anywhere/any time.

Bits I find most interesting include:

- 0 to 60 seconds where "Jive" describes what he did in the USN and in what era, security clearance etc.

- 14:45 "Acoustic Vulnerability" of the Borei as determined on sonar spectrum display, including
   vulnerabilities correlated with:

   = Continuous running seamless hydraulic pump

   = High demand transient

   = Missile tube preparation

   = Motor generator harmonics

   = Swarths

   = Station keeping

   and

   = Hull pop.

All very interesting. Another "Jive" youtube later this week.

Russia's Improved Kilo II Submarine (Project 636.3)

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Russia's original (Project 877) Kilo subs have been operating since 1980.

But the newest sub-class is the Improved Kilo II, Project 636.3. The Improved Kilo II first entered service in 2013 and is being supplied to the Russian Navy only.

The indomitable "Jive Turkey" presents a clear, well-paced, Youtube description of Improved Kilo II Project 636.6 at https://youtu.be/OIpILOFfnYM and below


Highlights of this August 2019 Youtube (usefully seen in conjunction with this list) include:

1:43 - First of class, B-261, was laid down in 2010 in St Petersburg

4:42 - list of weapons carried

5:27 - Russians are clever in the way they load torpedoes from outside through 2 torpedo tubes in the
           bow

6:02 - uses an advanced (for Russia) Lama-EKM combat system

7:10 - Rubicon-M Sonar System with details (search for Rubicon-M in this very comprehensive article
          here)

8:15 - speed, test depth, noise "117 DB AT 1/YARD" ("Jive" doesn't reveal how decibels (DB) were
          determined from 1 yard of  B-261)

8:50 - first use of Kalibr land attack missiles (against Syria) from Improved Kilo II "B-237"

9:14 - Russia's Black Sea Fleet has received its 6 Improved Kilo IIs and then the Pacific Fleet
          (see table). 
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