The French Naval Group, Australian Future Submarine Program, may collapse, due to higher French priorities. There is also France's batch building system of delaying a whole submarine class for years. This is in contrast to Japan's more efficient ("continuous") build system of launching a submarine each year.
The following is an indication of what benefits could flow if Australia made the safest choice for Australia’s new submarine program. That is choosing a Japanese designed submarine with some features of the 29SS research program (see SORYU TABLE below). Japanese submarines, benefitting from the 29SS research program, will be actually commissioned into the Japanese Navy around 2022-23.
Japan continuously accepts the risk of new improvements to its all diesel-electric submarine fleet. Japan would test diesel-electric technologies, including its (on Japanese Navy subs) LIBs before designing submarines for Australia.Something France, with its all nuclear propelled submarine fleet, cannot do.
Anonymous states that the figures discussed below are based on the precise cost calculation formulae used by the Japanese Ministry of Defense (MoD). Hence Anonymous believes this is the most reliable cost calculation by a third party. On February 24, 2020 Anonymous commented:
The following is an indication of what benefits could flow if Australia made the safest choice for Australia’s new submarine program. That is choosing a Japanese designed submarine with some features of the 29SS research program (see SORYU TABLE below). Japanese submarines, benefitting from the 29SS research program, will be actually commissioned into the Japanese Navy around 2022-23.
Japan continuously accepts the risk of new improvements to its all diesel-electric submarine fleet. Japan would test diesel-electric technologies, including its (on Japanese Navy subs) LIBs before designing submarines for Australia.Something France, with its all nuclear propelled submarine fleet, cannot do.
Anonymous states that the figures discussed below are based on the precise cost calculation formulae used by the Japanese Ministry of Defense (MoD). Hence Anonymous believes this is the most reliable cost calculation by a third party. On February 24, 2020 Anonymous commented:
The AUS 29SS would have four diesels, [Pete Comment also Lithium-ion Batteries (LIBs)] and a range of 12,000nm. Meanwhile 29SS for the Japanese Navy submarine (JN 29SS) has just 2 Kawasaki diesels.
[Pete Comment: the French and German competition are far less advanced in submarine LIBs than Japan. Unlike Japan they have no submarines reliant on LIBs. So choosing LIBs in a French or German designed submarine would result in further delays, increased costs (with Australia carrying French and German LIB ACTUALLY ON SUBMARINE development costs) hence increased risks for Australia's future submarine program.]
[Pete Comment: the French and German competition are far less advanced in submarine LIBs than Japan. Unlike Japan they have no submarines reliant on LIBs. So choosing LIBs in a French or German designed submarine would result in further delays, increased costs (with Australia carrying French and German LIB ACTUALLY ON SUBMARINE development costs) hence increased risks for Australia's future submarine program.]
AUS 29SS would utilise a similar structure of single and double hulls as the Soryu submarine housing motor, diesel, torpedo and other sections. Extra diesel fuel in enlarged tanks between the inner and outer hulls would meet the longer range/endurance needs of AUS 29SS.
Anonymous indicates the increase in costs of AUS 29SS compared to JN 29SS’s may mainly be attributed to:
(a) US$0.02 Billion (B) for a hull plug housing larger fuel tanks for the extra 2 diesels in a lengthened AUS 29SS (94m) compared to JN 29SS’ 84m length. [Pete Comment: AUS 29SS would retain the Soryu's warload of 20 to 30 heavyweight torpedoes/missiles/UUV shots, or 40 to 60 mines.]
(b) US$0.027B for the two extra diesels themselves
(c) US$0.13B the cost of installing a US combat system instead of a different (though similar) Japanese combat system [coordinated with Lockheed Martin, Australia's combat system integrator] and
(d) US$0.11B profit for MHI.
So the total cost increase of AUS 29SS compared to JN 29SS would be (a)+(b)+(c)+(d)= 0.02+0.027+0.13+0.11=US$0.29B.
Cost of JN 29SS is US$0.67B.
So the cost of AUS 29SS is US$0.96B (=0.67B+0.29B) meaning Japan can export AUS 29SS (rounded up) for US$1B.
So for Australia’s 8 future submarines (assuming the Australian Government will only decide on 8 rather than 12 submarines):
- 2 x export AUS 29SS’s [assembled in Australia] (at US$1B/submarine)
and
- 6 x AUS post-29SS submarines (assuming US$1.3B/submarine)
then purchasing and maintenance costs are US$10B + US$10B = total cost of US$20B.
This represents a large cost saving for Australia, freeing up money for other defence or non-defence items.
SORYU TABLE. as at March 5, 2020
SS No. Diesel Type Motor | Build No Name | Pennant No. | MoF approved amount ¥ Billions FY | LABs, LIBs, AIP | Laid Down | Laun -ched | Commi ssioned | Built By |
5SS Oyashio | 8105 Oyashio (mythical | SS-590/ TS3608 | ¥52.2B FY1993 | LABs only | Jan 1994 | Oct 1996 | Mar 1998 | KHI |
6SS-15SS Oyashios 10 subs SMC-7? | 8106 -8115 various | SS-591-600 | ¥52.2B per sub FY1994-FY2003 | LABs only | 15SS Feb 2004 | 15SS Nov 2006 | 15SS Mar 2008 | MHI & KHI |
16SS Dragon class Mk I | 8116 | SS-501 | ¥60B FY2004 all Soryus with Kawasaki SMC-8 motor | LABs + AIP | Mar 2005 | Dec 2007 | Mar 2009 | MHI |
17SS | 8117 Unryū | SS-502 | ¥58.7B FY2005 | LABs + AIP | Mar 2006 | Oct 2008 | Mar 2010 | KHI |
18SS | 8118 Hakuryū | SS-503 | ¥56.2 FY2006 | LABs + AIP | Feb 2007 | Oct 2009 | Mar 2011 | MHI |
19SS | 8119 Kenryū | SS-504 | ¥53B FY2007 | LABs + AIP | Mar 2008 | Nov 2010 | Mar 2012 | KHI |
20SS | 8120 Zuiryū | SS-505 | ¥51B FY2008 | LABs + AIP | Mar 2009 | Oct 2011 | Mar 2013 | MHI |
21SS Concept | No 21SS built But was a concept research project on LIBs. 1st LIBs sub launched is 27SS | research in 2010 | research | research | ||||
22SS | 8121 Kokuryū | SS-506 | ¥52.8B FY2010 | LABs + AIP | Jan 2011 | Oct 2013 | Mar 2015 | KHI |
23SS | 8122 Jinryu | SS-507 | ¥54.6B FY2011 | LABs + AIP | Feb 2012 | Oct 2014 | 7 Mar 2016 | MHI |
24SS | 8123 Sekiryū | SS-508 | ¥54.7B FY2012 | LABs + AIP | KHI | |||
25SS | 8124 | SS-509 | ¥53.1B FY2013 | LABs + AIP | 22 Oct 2013 | 12 Oct 2016 | MHI | |
26SS | 8125 | SS-510 | LABs + AIP | 2014 | 6 Nov 2017 | KHI | ||
27SS SoryuMk II due to 1st with LIBs | 8126 | SS-511 | LIBs only (NCA type) | 2015 | 4 Oct 2018 | Mar 2020? | MHI | |
28SS Soryu Mk II | 8127 | SS-512 | ¥63.6B FY2016 "2,900t" surfaced | LIBs only | Jan 2017 | Mar 2021? | KHI | |
29SS may be the 1st of a New class | ¥76B FY2017 New features research may include: a further blended fin for noise reduction-better water flow, new propulsor, new diesels, new snorkel system. G-RX6 torpedoes replacing the Type 89s? | LIBs only | 2017 pro-gram began | MHI assisted by KHI & JMoD | ||||
30SS New Class? | 8028? | SS-513 | ¥71.5B FY2018 using some 29SS features | LIBs only | 2018? | 2020? | 2022? | MHI? |
31SS New Class ? | 8029? | SS-514 | ¥B?FY2019 using some 29SS features | LIBs only | 2019? | 2021? | 2023? | KHI? |
32SS New Class ? | 8030? | SS-515 | ¥B?Y2020 using some 29SS features. AUS 29SS would cost estimated US$1 Billion | LIBs only | 2020? | 2022? | 2024? | MHI? |
33SS New Class ? | 8031? | SS-516 | ¥B? FY2021 | LIBs only | 2021? | 2023? | 2025? | KHI? |
34SS New Class ? | 8032? | SS-517 | ¥B? FY2022 | LIBs only | 2022? | 2024? | 2026? | MHI? |
35SS New Class ? | 8033? | SS-518 | ¥B? FY2023 | LIBs only | 2023? | 2025? | 2027? | KHI? |
36SS New Class ? | 8034? | SS-519 | ¥B? FY2024 | LIBs only | 2024? | 2026? | 2028? | MHI? |
37SS New Class ? | 8035? | SS-520 | ¥B? FY2025 | LIBs only | 2025? | 2027? | 2029? | KHI? |
38SS New Class ? | 8036? | SS-521 | ¥B? FY2026 | LIBs only | 2026? | 2028? | 2030? | MHI? |
Key to Table: Table information exclusively provided to Submarine Matters. LABs = lead-acid batteries, AIP = air independent propulsion, LIBs = Lithium-ion Batteries. ¥***B = Billion Yen. MHI = Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, KHI = Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation of Kawasaki Heavy Industries.
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