Artist's conception of a Swedish A26 submarine operating in littoral waters while deploying special forces divers. Graphic courtesy of Saab site .
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Comments from "TKMS HDW 216 or Soryu Mark 2 for Australia's Futur..." http://gentleseas.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/tkms-hdw-216-or-soryu-mark-2-for.html :
Hi Pete,
How do you see the chances for the A26? Australia’s government confirmed that it has already received the unsolicited bid from Saab: “It includes a lower price than its competitors and a smooth flow of Japanese submarine [propulsion] technology from the Soryu Class boat, because Sweden is a partner in the Japanese project. There will also be substantial technology transfer and industrial offsets for Australia, including jobs in Adelaide during the build phase.”
See more here: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/saab-story-swedens-new-submarines-024760/
How do you see the chances for the A26? Australia’s government confirmed that it has already received the unsolicited bid from Saab: “It includes a lower price than its competitors and a smooth flow of Japanese submarine [propulsion] technology from the Soryu Class boat, because Sweden is a partner in the Japanese project. There will also be substantial technology transfer and industrial offsets for Australia, including jobs in Adelaide during the build phase.”
See more here: http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/saab-story-swedens-new-submarines-024760/
Sweden wasn’t part of the Australian government’s initial submarine evaluations, because Kockums was still trapped and suppressed within TKMS. That has changed. Saab CEO Hakan Bushke says that they’re willing to design a 4,000t submarine for Australia, and take ASC and Royal Australian Navy engineers and technicians to work on its new A26 design
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Pete said...Hi Michael R
The A26 would probably have less of a chance than the TKMS-HDW 216. Both are design board subs. Saab has never overseen the build of a complete submarine.
Sweden overall has national knowledge (including FMV and Kockums-in-Saab) of submarine building but Sweden hasn't built submarines (the Gotlands) since 1996 or arguably Collins since 2001.
Price is very elastic - more an artform of itemisation than an accounting science.
Given the Soryu is less than 3,000 tons surfaced Australia is probably not wedded to 4,000 ton surfaced designs anymore.
Japan may be extricating itself from Swedish intellectual property issues by leaving Stirling engines out of the Soryu Mark 2s.
Technology transfer and training are strengths with the European contenders - something probably difficult for Japan.
Some offsets are probably a necessary political and technical benefit or burden for the Australian Government vis a vis South Australia and unions.
It is an unusual corporate dynamic when only 2 A26's are set to be built in Sweden but 6-12 larger Aus Future Subs might be built in Sweden and/or Australia. This effectively places more development cost and risk on the much larger Australian bought portion.
All this is a far cry from the (assumed) Japanese offer of 6-12 Future Subs off Japan's 2 functioning Soryu production lines.
Regards
Pete
The A26 would probably have less of a chance than the TKMS-HDW 216. Both are design board subs. Saab has never overseen the build of a complete submarine.
Sweden overall has national knowledge (including FMV and Kockums-in-Saab) of submarine building but Sweden hasn't built submarines (the Gotlands) since 1996 or arguably Collins since 2001.
Price is very elastic - more an artform of itemisation than an accounting science.
Given the Soryu is less than 3,000 tons surfaced Australia is probably not wedded to 4,000 ton surfaced designs anymore.
Japan may be extricating itself from Swedish intellectual property issues by leaving Stirling engines out of the Soryu Mark 2s.
Technology transfer and training are strengths with the European contenders - something probably difficult for Japan.
Some offsets are probably a necessary political and technical benefit or burden for the Australian Government vis a vis South Australia and unions.
It is an unusual corporate dynamic when only 2 A26's are set to be built in Sweden but 6-12 larger Aus Future Subs might be built in Sweden and/or Australia. This effectively places more development cost and risk on the much larger Australian bought portion.
All this is a far cry from the (assumed) Japanese offer of 6-12 Future Subs off Japan's 2 functioning Soryu production lines.
Regards
Pete